How To Get Any Idea Approved By Your Pastor [3 Steps]

Brady Shearer: Many church buildings I do know wrestle with quantifying “success” on the subject of their digital efforts. Perhaps a pastor asks, “Hey, why do we have a podcast?” Or, “What’s the point of a YouTube channel, anyway?” So for those who hear a question like that and wrestle with the thought of find out how to respond, hey, you’re not alone. By the top of this podcast, you’ll know easy methods to reply these questions and also you’ll have a three-part framework to measure every digital determination you make.
Alex Mills: Nicely, hey there and welcome to Pro Church Instruments, the show that will help you share the message of Jesus while we navigate the most important communication shift in 500 years. I’m your host, Alex Mills, joined as all the time by Brady Shearer.
Brady Shearer: I’ve received a tweet a couple of days in the past, Alex, from an individual in Pro Church Nation, and it reads, I quote, “We’re beginning a podcast right here at the church and have been requested by the lead pastor to present some metrics on how we’ll measure “success” in yr one. Any ideas?” This comes from @AlexEhly, E-H-L-Y. I responded to Alex and I stated, “That would largely depend on what your church is trying to achieve and how your church measures ‘success.’” The guts of what Alex was saying in that unique tweet was we need to do that new digital factor because we expect that podcasting is large and everybody else is doing it, so we expect we should always as properly. However my pastor, who’s possible not as entrenched on the earth of podcasting, is saying, “Well, okay, if I’m going to say you can do this and we’re going to invest resources in it, how are we going to measure it to prove whether or not it was worth it, and to say, ‘Yeah, this is actually contributing to our church’s overall goal?’” To which I responded-
Alex Mills: Yeah. Is success a sure variety of downloads, a sure number of subscribers?
Brady Shearer: Proper.
Alex Mills: How would you come to a metric to be able to prove to that pastor 12 months from now that what we did was value it?
Brady Shearer: To which I responded, “Well, Pastor, what are we trying to accomplish as a church?” As a result of I might love for this podcast ministry to tie into what the church is making an attempt to accomplish.
Alex Mills: Identical to every ministry ought to.
Brady Shearer: Are you able to quantify for me if you get on stage on Sunday to preach, how do you measure success together with your preaching? We’ve got talked, in many various episodes, at size about learn how to quantify progress at your church, easy methods to measure success, the way to quantify is what we’re doing truly good or is it dangerous?
Alex Mills: Spoiler alert, it’s not just butts in seats.
Brady Shearer: Absolutely. But I might tell in this interplay with Alex that he was somewhat bit unhappy by my reply, and he hoped for one thing a bit extra specific and granular. So we needed to take this podcast episode, and I am going to assume the position of Alex, not this Alex-
Alex Mills: No.
Brady Shearer: … a special Alex.
Alex Mills: Two Alexes on this episode, one actual one figurative.
Brady Shearer: Precisely.
Alex Mills: Nice.
Brady Shearer: A number of Alexes.
Alex Mills: Not Confusing in any respect.
Brady Shearer: Not complicated at all. I am going to assume that position and fake as if I used to be proposing to this senior leader, “Okay, here is why we should start a podcast ministry and here is why it is going to be successful. Here’s how we’ll know if it is or not.”
Alex Mills: What about once I inform you that AlexEhly is actually my alias on Twitter and I had to ask you this question on Twitter as a result of I was too embarrassed that I didn’t know the reply? Does that make-
Brady Shearer: It sounds like you obtained a whole lot of free time, which sounds not like the actual Alex that I do know.
Alex Mills: Good. Okay.
Brady Shearer: You’ve got been uncovered.
Alex Mills: I’ve been uncovered.
Brady Shearer: This also, proposal format, framework, three elements, as a result of three elements like the Trinity. Let’s go. It’s not just for podcasting. We’re going to make use of that as a selected instance. But in the event you ever need to point out to your senior management or even think about anything you’re doing abstractly, like, why does this matter? This is identical framework that you should use. So let’s think about it. It’s three elements like a pyramid. There’s the underside layer, the center layer, and the highest layer. The bottom layer is the aim. It’s the inspiration on your church’s existence. Each Christ-following church exists to assist individuals love God, love others, and make disciples. This is rooted in, in fact, the Nice Commission and the Biggest Commandments. Now, your church might phrase it in a different way. You may describe it in a different way. You may need a pithy mission statement. But at its core, it’s these three issues, help individuals love God, love others, and make disciples. All the things that we do ought to be carrying out that singular objective.
Alex Mills: So if we have been to take a look at all the ministries and initiatives in our church and see all of them as little pyramids, with these three steps, are you saying that the objective for every one must be the same, synonymous with the mission statement of your, church to assist individuals love God, love others, and make disciples?
Brady Shearer: Absolutely.
Alex Mills: Okay, good. In order that’s straightforward. It’s the identical throughout all of your ministries. That is the objective.
Brady Shearer: Yeah, completely. Now, to be truthful, typically it’s ancillary, like the cleaning ministry that works to wash the bogs and vacuum the carpets. Chances are you’ll be like, “How does that accomplish that goal?” Nicely, it’s ancillary because these environments are essential. So typically it’s ancillary, but when you get again to it …
Alex Mills: Superior.
Brady Shearer: I had to say that because somebody in the feedback would … You understand?
Alex Mills: Positive.
Brady Shearer: Properly, technically …
Alex Mills: Sure.
Brady Shearer: Which I respect, as a result of that’s how I speak. So that’s okay. So that’s the bottom basis. Now, from there, to perform that objective, you want a useful resource and that’s the center degree of the pyramid. That resource is attention, which is probably the most worthwhile commodity your church can possess. Because with out attention you’ll be able to’t get individuals to perform the aim as a result of they gained’t truly be doing anything.
Alex Mills: Right.
Brady Shearer: Then, the final prime degree of the pyramid, you understand your basis, the mission, you might have the commodity that you simply need, attention. Then what do you do with that focus? You compel individuals to take a subsequent step. And that’s the prime layer of the pyramid. So if we have been going to do this with podcasting, I might go to my pastor and be like, “Look, I know that the goal and core reason for this church’s existence is to help people to love God, love others, and make disciples. Of course, to do that, we need people’s attention, which is why, Pastor, we have Sunday services. We think it’s important to gather, the Bible calls to do that. And when everyone is gathered, you can, for instance, deliver your sermon.”
Alex Mills: Up to now, I like what you’re saying.
Brady Shearer: “You take 20 to 120 minutes and you share the message of Jesus through talking. That’s a medium, live talking. That helps us contribute to this core mission. Podcasting is similar because attention on podcasting is huge, and one of the rules of attention is that it’s much easier to go where attention is already being paid then it is to earn it from scratch. And here’s what we know. According to Barna Trends 2018, 23% of all adults listen to podcasts, 42% of millennials listen to podcasts, and 17% of practicing Christians listen to podcasts every single day, which might not sound like that much, but that’s compared to 6% of non-Christians of all ages.”
Alex Mills: Virtually 3 times.
Brady Shearer: “So, Pastor, we know that podcasting is huge. We know that it’s especially huge with young people, and we know that it’s especially, especially huge with practicing Christians. So not only do we see podcasting as a medium where a ton of attention is being paid, where that attention has been growing year after year and is projected to continue growing, but it’s also where attention is being paid with our target demographic.”
For those who have been making this argument or proposal for let’s say, Twitch, the place a ton of attention is being paid, perhaps it might be a bit harder. I’m not saying a Twitch ministry isn’t a good suggestion, however I don’t know if the attention is as nice there amongst the individuals that you simply’re essentially making an attempt to succeed in. Because I haven’t seen knowledge there. But we know that a ton of working towards Christians are utilizing podcasts and are listening to podcasts. We all know a ton of younger individuals are. Who knows? What I stated about Twitch may be utterly untrue. I’m already considering, “Shut up. You’re an idiot. You don’t know what you’re saying.”
Alex Mills: Properly, good thing that you simply’re not proposing a Twitch ministry, You’re proposing a podcast. Up to now, on this hypothetical state of affairs as your pastor, this is all sounding good to me. You’ve come into my workplace, you’ve stated, “Hey, I acknowledge the goal of everything we’re trying to do. This is our church’s mission statement. I think that there is a great opportunity because of this hyper-Christian audience that podcasts have.” Up to now, as a pastor, I’m listening to this, I’m like, “Yes, this is good. This all lines up with what we’re trying to do. It sounds like you’re onto something with the potential audience that’s listening to podcasts.” So I’m on board up to now.
Brady Shearer: Then, we know what we’re making an attempt to accomplish. We’ve their attention. What are we asking them to do? What is the action step, the subsequent step, which can assist us contribute to that aim? Because attention is nice, because as soon as individuals are listening and paying attention, we now have the chance to compel them to motion. But when we don’t compel them to motion at all, then that focus just isn’t essentially being utilized to its full potential.
Alex Mills: Or if in case you have a objective and you plan a name to action however don’t have the eye, there’s no one to take that subsequent step, to take that call to action.
Brady Shearer: And when you have someone’s attention and you ask for next step, but there’s no core mission behind it, it’s virtually definitely going to be aimless, which is why these three issues work collectively. Listed here are some potential next steps that you might encourage individuals to take by means of your podcast. Firstly, you possibly can use an ambiguous sort of subsequent step on the finish or the beginning, probably the top, where you ask listeners, “Hey, thanks for listening. If you’d like to submit a prayer request, go to our website at you know, and submit your prayer request there.” Or, you may say, “Hey, if you want to take this one step further and talk to a pastor in our church, feel free to get in touch with us at That could be an ambiguous next step that you ask at the end of every single episode.
You could also do event-specific next steps. For instance, like church announcement promotions, where they’re really timely. That would require a bit more work because you’d probably want to go in and then re-upload a different audio file without it once that event is over. But that could be a next step where at the beginning of each announcement you say, “Hey, we’ve got, you know, the Fall Festival coming up. Before you dive into this podcast we want you to know that this and this and this is happening and it’s coming up soon. So go to and you can get in touch there. You could use specific URLs/podcasts the way that regular podcasts do with advertising campaigns to prove, “Hey, you bought this Casper mattress from this podcast listening audience.” You would do something comparable. So, “Hey, go to and get in touch with us there.” And then you can monitor how many individuals came from our podcast as a result of we all know we don’t share that link anyplace else.
Alex Mills: Proper.
Brady Shearer: So ambiguous name to action on the end, particular name to action at the end or beginning. Or you would also give attention to infrequent subsequent steps and simply give attention to building authority. That’s sort of what we’re doing in our present format, where we don’t ask for subsequent steps or compel individuals to take next steps during most of our episodes. On the finish, I assume, on the YouTube channel we are saying, “Subscribe and like this video. Like this video and subscribe.”
Alex Mills: Please. Thanks.
Brady Shearer: However that isn’t necessarily the same sort of next step as a result of we’re not asking individuals to buy considered one of our products, which would be an analogy for our for-profit company. You might do one thing very comparable together with your podcast, where therein listens and subscribers grow to be the metric that you simply’re tracking. Because you already know that when a month you’re going to have a much bigger call to action, and that’s where you’re going to ask for a next step. It’s a much greater next step, however individuals might be compelled to take it because they’ve been listening episode after episode and also you’ve deposited so much equity into their life that they’re prepared to reciprocate. So you may simply be considering, is listens and subscribers an arrogance metric? Properly, no. Should you’re building an viewers based mostly on belief and authority, that, over time, as we are actual, you already know, proofs of-
Alex Mills: Yeah.
Brady Shearer: … can return a ton of dividends in terms of subsequent steps due to the eye which contributes to the objective.
Alex Mills: Yeah. So these calls to action are examples of these metrics that you’re going to be capable of monitor to say to your pastor in 12 months, say, “Hey, remember that podcast that I convinced you last year to start? Well, look at all these conversions. Look at how people responded to Fall Festival using this podcast link. This is how many people signed up for this event, and this is how they got there. It was from the podcast.” You’ll be capable of have very clear statistics, metrics, and say, “This is working. The audience that we’re speaking to with the message that we’re trying to share, they’re taking next steps in their life with Jesus on their own. They’re taking next steps in our church, and it’s because we’re using this tool.” That’s going to offer you an amazing alternative to say, “This is working.”
After which proceed to trace it to see, to guage, the way it continues to work. Ultimately, podcasts gained’t be a thing and there’s going to be one other factor, and so you’re going to have to-
Brady Shearer: How dare you.
Alex Mills: You’re going to see these metrics drop off and be like, “Okay, we can see that people aren’t responding to this in the same way. Now we need to get on Twitch or whatever it is.” So these are going to be tremendous insightful, not only simply to convince your pastor for this fun new podcast you need to do, but for any ministry in your church. How are things going? How are individuals responding? How are individuals rising? How is that this all contributing to the lifeblood, the mission of our church?
Brady Shearer: And aligning all the things collectively in the identical path is the key right here. I just had this idea as you have been speaking, I was undoubtedly listening, though, where let’s say every summer time you do, as a whole lot of church buildings do, a type of question and answer sermon collection. Properly, you possibly can have one of many calls to motion, one of the next steps on the podcast for the month of Might and June, the months of Might and June, where you say, “Hey, we’ve got a big a sermon series coming up, where we’re going to be answering any question that anyone has. No limits. If you go to we’d love to hear your question.” Then, you possibly can go to your pastor and be like, “Look, we got 25 questions from the podcast. Well, how many did you get from … How many did you get from your announcement from stage?” Oh, seven. Uh-huh (affirmative), uh-huh (affirmative), uh-huh (affirmative).
Alex Mills: Okay. Okay …
Brady Shearer: This isn’t meant to be aggressive. But now you’re truly generating one thing that’s going to be helpful for her or him that correlates on to their particular activity inside the church. That may be even a option to present and quantify, because they understand how much work they did to get those eight. And also you, you bought 25? Wow. The attention there have to be rather a lot totally different than the attention that I have. Not better or worse, however undoubtedly worthwhile, of worth. There are such a lot of artistic issues that you are able to do right here. That is what you’d do for a podcast. In the event you have been doing this for a YouTube channel, on that second degree of the pyramid with regards to the resource consideration, you may say, “Hey, YouTube is the second most visited search engine on the planet, the second most visited web site on the earth. It truly has more visitors than Facebook. There’s so much consideration there.
Do you know 500,000 searches are made each single month for the keyword Bible research how-to? Individuals are looking, making an attempt to figure out. And then, with the subsequent steps, with that third motion degree of the pyramid, you can do that very same thing, calls to motion at the finish of the YouTube videos that you simply’re doing. You should use this framework to prove to your pastor this has worth. You will get your ideas accredited. You possibly can assist what you’re doing, make it possible for it’s aligned with what the church is general doing. And hey, you may just make clear the church’s mission in the process.
Alex Mills: There you go. So good.
Brady Shearer: That’ll do it for this episode of Pro Church Instruments. We’ll see you subsequent time.